Orchestration Is Much More Than We Think - Drew Cashmore, Vantage

Drew Cashmore breaks down orchestration, trade, and the future of retail media — and why retailers need better collaboration to compete with Amazon.
Tom Limongello & Scott Messer

Retail media is growing fast, but the real work is happening underneath the surface — in the systems, workflows, and relationships that make it all run.

In this episode of The Middlemen Podcast, Tom Limongello and Scott Messer sit down with Drew Cashmore, Chief Strategy Officer at Vantage and one of the early builders of Walmart Connect, to break down what “orchestration” actually means inside a modern retailer.

Most people talk about retail media in terms of new ad products, paid search expansion, or offsite performance. But Drew argues that retail media really runs on two parallel tracks:

Track 1 — The Plumbing

All the infrastructure that connects channels, normalizes reporting, syncs product feeds, passes audience data, and makes ads actually serve.

Track 2 — The Collaboration

Where brands, merchants, marketers, and retail media teams align on goals, budgets, JBPs, promotions, category growth, and in-store activation. This is where orchestration lives — and where most retailers are still struggling.

Drew brings a rare, practical perspective from his work at Walmart Connect, Firework, and now Vantage, where he’s helping retailers build the connective tissue between trade, retail media, and merchandising.

What We Cover in This Episode
  • What orchestration really means and why the term is misunderstood
  • Why trade budgets still drive the majority of “retail media”
  • How Walmart’s early experiments shaped the entire space
  • The complexity retailers face with disconnected systems
  • The evolving role of agencies as retail operators
  • How Amazon benefits when orchestration breaks down
  • What’s coming next across in-store, CTV, promotions, and measurement
Why This Conversation Matters

Orchestration is becoming the operating system for retail media. Retailers who get it right will integrate trade, media, and merchandising into a unified strategy. Retailers who don’t will continue to lose ground to Amazon — not because of ad tech, but because of alignment.

Referenced in the Episode

Drew Cashmore — “Retail Media Leapfrog Series: Eating Trade?”

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